Markus Jais wrote: > ... > I think the standard GUI for Ruby should have the following characteristics > > - portable between Unix (include Linux and Mac OS X) and Windows For some reason, I think that this means two different things to the Unix user and Windows user. It seems to me that people who don't use windows much tend to not care too much about look/feel of a 'portable' application. At the same time, Windows users don't tend to care about portability too much ;-) I use windows for my work station, and linux for my web server. If I ever make a windows application with Ruby, I will do so not so much as a hobby, but with a prospective distributable product in mind. And as such, it is quite important that it looks and feels like other windows applications. In other words, that it have/use native widgets etc. And it should not crash the system excessively, or be too slow. In other words, it should use native widgets. It should not look foreign and make the prospective end user think it isn't the 'real' thing. In other words, it should use native widgets. As for portability, there is no real GUI portability between unix and windows, as far as I am concerned. Sure, it is possible to write code that works on both using the existing portability provided. But that was not provided to solve the issue of making professional GUI applications that simultaneously work on both unix and windows. And professional applications for windows using ruby is precisely what I am waiting for. This issue came up at the conference last year. It is relevant to the current poll at rubygarden.org, also. And it is likely even related to the tar.gz/zip issue recently discussed. Not everyone cares about that performance, and not everyone is willing to pay for something they are just playing around with. Fine, those people can continue with Tk and similar approaches. But although Ruby is founded in Linux, if it is to be useful for the 'masses' and a candidate for paid work/jobs, then it will have to be provided with a windows-specific approach. I don't think there can be one standard GUI for both unix and windows that will satisfy the windows community. There will have to be a standard for windows separate from whatever is used on other OS platforms, from my perspective. Guy N. Hurst