Hi Judy, Clinton D. Judy wrote: > I'm going to this conference 90% to learn Ruby and > keep up with the Ruby world, and 10% or so to meet > and hang out with other Rubyists. That's what all conferences are about. Just ask. Don't pre-judge your boss. (S)he may not be the a$$hole you're afraid of. > if this conference were in Minnesota in the dead of winter, > the office would know for CERTAIN that there were no > other reason for me wanting to go there. November in > Florida? Boss may want to go instead (not a Ruby user). You're right. Suggest that the boss may want to attend too. Build support. HTH, Bill Tips? Clinton Judy Web Developer Glenn O. Hawbaker, Inc.