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> Datum: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:46:47 +0900
> Von: Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter / sun.com>
> An: ruby-talk / ruby-lang.org
> Betreff: Re: Who\'s Charles angry at?

> Joshua Ballanco wrote:
> > Well, I just came across this in my feed reader:
> > http://blog.headius.com/2008/09/elephant.html
> > 
> > Mymymy...such vitriol! Look, I've never had anything against JRuby. In
> > fact, I'm very interested (and less involved than I should be) in
> > MacRuby (which, I noticed, did _not_ get a mention in that rant). I also
> > feel like Rubinius is an interesting project. That said, I've always
> > worried that Ruby is heading down Smalltalk's slippery slope.
> 
> I don't think there was any vitriol at all. I avoided that kind of rant 
> (useful as it may be, sometimes) to escape the visceral response that 
> always accompanies. What I really wanted was to be constructive while 
> slapping the stupids out of people who still dismiss JRuby because it 
> has a J in it. It's definitely not everyone, and maybe not a 
> majority...but in many cases it's people that garner a lot of respect 
> and people who should know better.
> 
> I'm also hoping this will start the discussion of what we on the JRuby 
> team can do better to support Rubyists. We're really trying to make 
> JRuby the best it can be for *you*.
> 

Dear Charles, dear Joshua,

Just some thoughts.
Imagine I was trying to sell some novel  idea for some technical problem to another company, along
with a software implementation.
So the idea is more important than the software, but coders at that company would have to understand
the code and be able to maintain it.
The actual submission of the proposal goes by some in-between company that collects proposed ideas
and hides the identities of the proponent and receiver from each other, so I don't know what coding languages people
at the company use, yet I have to do some programming to be able to show something.
Ruby is the language I am most effective in.

Judging from the field sizes of Ruby and Java in this map, 

http://radar.oreilly.com/Language_all.jpg 

from here: 

http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/03/state-of-the-computer-book-mar-23.html,

I'd say that if one wants to argue, it is still easier to blame someone for not knowing Java than for not knowing Ruby.

I feel attracted to JRuby, because it gives me the hope that I can produce code in Ruby and transform it into something
that will run on a Java system (using rawr), and if I nicely name the methods and the variables, Ruby code can be
well-readable and understandable even to somebody who hasn't used it before.

Now I am wondering whether there's a project in the Java world to try to make Ruby accessible from Java in a similar 
way JRuby tries to make Java accessible from Ruby. I couldn't find anything quickly.
Such a project could resolve to some degree the fear and angst problem (at least practically), as it would make it easier for Rubyists and Javaists to use code from each other while otherwise using their own language and beloved syntactic sugar.

On the other hand, if  no Java/Ruby integration project from the Java side exists, cooperation between Java and Ruby has to happen  in the Ruby camp. This might gently bring Java coders to have a look at Ruby, and maybe use it further, so it's actually a project to promote Ruby as a language ... for those people who don't like Java, this should be good news, as it
promotes Ruby.

Best regards,

Axel 

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