S2 wrote: > No. jruby will not be an option. If that was the case I would not look for > some other job. I think we/they are going to use the Seam Framework, but > it's still not sure. They asked me to join the team who gets to evaluate > the various available frameworks, but every time I look at a hibernate > config file I get goose-flesh. You need to be able to explain to them just why you get "goose-flesh". No doubt everyone on this list is automatically sympathetic to your plight, but truth is that much of what we see as obvious about Ruby is not so for others. I don't see how anyone can expect people to just be instantly enlightened about the value of using Ruby; folks need facts.* If Ruby (with Rails or whatever) is the objectively better choice then you should be able to demonstrate that. There has to be something tangible, something other than "I like it." Get some stats, some code, some use cases, and build a solid case. The best argument tends to center on money. Something that argues for higher employee retention rate, or lowered training costs. If you can show that using Ruby means faster turnaround with fewer developers and lower maintenance, that in the end Ruby == more profit than Java or .Net, you should be OK.* If you can't make that case, then why would you expect a business to choose Ruby? * Or not. Some folks will have ulterior motives for choosing one tool over another, but you should start be giving people the benefit of the doubt. -- James Britt www.happycamperstudios.com - Wicked Cool Coding www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff