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One thing i have really liked about monkeybars is the mvc thing. If i choose
another GUI option, would i have another option that would give me the mvc
abstraction like that?

Another option, like someone said, would be to use rails and forget a non
web interface.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Leslie Viljoen <leslieviljoen / gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, James Britt <james.britt / gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Leslie Viljoen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I understand your dread - I have the same dread, and the same problems
> >> getting
> >> Java + XYZ to work. I actually currently have a Netbeans install that
> >> I have tried
> >> to use the built-in plugin installer to install Ruby support - after
> >> incomprehensible
> >> errors it knows nothing of Ruby. Busy re-downloading. I tried monkeybars
> >> and the
> >> tutorials for a few hours and failed completely.  Perhaps it is very
> >> good, but it is
> >> surely also very complicated.
> >
> > If you honestly believe that then we (the Monkeybars crew) have failed
> > someplace, perhaps in the docs or the screencasts, because the last thing
> we
> > want is anything complicated.
> >
> > Now, granted, I'm biased (I'm a Monkeybars contributer and have been
> > building production apps  with it for almost a year), but if you can tell
> me
> > (off-list, perhaps) what you thought was complicated, I will see what I
> can
> > do to help you out.
>
> I don't think you failed, and it's not that the process is complex,
> it's that the whole setup is
> complex. I think Matisse is a fantastic GUI builder and have been
> eagerly waiting for it to
> support Ruby for ages now (even spoke to the developer for a while) so
> I am glad there's
> finally a solution for wiring it into Ruby. It's just that Ruby + Java
> + Packages + Netbeans + dependencies + MVC framework + updating + etc.
> is a very slow 50 step process with a
> huge number of dependencies.
>
> I have just now finished that process for the second time and I still
> don't have anything to see.
> I must have missed something. I watched all the videos and followed
> all the tutorials here:
> http://monkeybars.rubyforge.org/tutorials.html
>
> The last page seems to be here:
> http://monkeybars.rubyforge.org/tutorials/netbeans.html .. which talks
> about RAWR. Rawr install just seems to have added to my Rakefile, and
> I don't know what to do now. Do I start making forms? Do I run one of
> the RAWR tasks? The link at the bottom of that page points back to
> "using the generator" which I have already done. The link after that
> is an overview page which is rather long and sounds good but still
> doesn't get me to just plain connect a form to my app!
>
> When I got to this point before I started looking at the view,
> thinking that it would be somehow related to a form I might build with
> Matisse. I tried putting things into the quotes after set_java_class.
>
> If I click "run" now I get to choose something to do with RAWR from a
> combo box and then I get:
>
> init:
> deps-jar:
> Created dir: /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/build/classes
> Compiling 1 source file to /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/build/classes
> /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/src/org/rubyforge/rawr/Main.java:11:
> package org.jruby does not exist
> import org.jruby.Ruby;
> /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/src/org/rubyforge/rawr/Main.java:12:
> package org.jruby.javasupport does not exist
> import org.jruby.javasupport.JavaEmbedUtils;
> /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/src/org/rubyforge/rawr/Main.java:19:
> cannot find symbol
> symbol  : class Ruby
> location: class org.rubyforge.rawr.Main
>    Ruby runtime = JavaEmbedUtils.initialize(new ArrayList(0));
> /home/lesliev/dev/ruby-gui/demo/src/org/rubyforge/rawr/Main.java:19:
> cannot find symbol
> symbol  : variable JavaEmbedUtils
> location: class org.rubyforge.rawr.Main
>    Ruby runtime = JavaEmbedUtils.initialize(new ArrayList(0));
> 4 errors
> BUILD FAILED (total time: 2 seconds)
>
>
> So you see, it's complicated.
>
> Les
>
>


-- 
Guerra

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