At 01:07 PM 1/7/2002 +0900, Massimiliano Mirra wrote: >On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:03:05PM +0900, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > No, that's not true. I'm entirely sure it's not sufficient. I can think of > > many, many ways to crock this. You're counting on the remote keyserver > > being trustworthy (they aren't), DNS being trustworthy (it isn't), that > the > > signing entity is trustworthy (they aren't), and that the source you're > > fetching is safe to use sight unseen (it isn't). > >Sorry, I must be missing something or just be mad, because I installed >my Debian from scratch from the net. If they can guarantee the >integrity of a distribution, moreover downloaded over http with no >notion of keys or such, I guess it should be possible to guarantee the >integrity of a code library, should it not? They can't, though. I doubt they do. > > Yeah, these are all potential issues when installing any chunk of code > from > > the net, but at least with a manual install you have a chance to check > > things out even if you choose not to. With automagic loading, you take all > > the potential checks out of the process. > >``apt-get program-name'' does not give very much to check. ;-) It's not safe, either. And how do you know it hasn't been compromised? No, you're not likely to be a target, the same way I don't have to worry much about locking the doors of my 12 year old beat-up car. That doesn't make it a safe thing to do in general. This is a feature that can leave a system potentially wide-open. You *can't* be too paranoid in considering the potential risks. Dan --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- Dan Sugalski even samurai dan / sidhe.org have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk