I initiated a thread over on comp.lang.python which has turned into somewhat of a comparison between Ruby and Python, their relative strengths and weaknesses. The thread is titled Python Popularity: Questions and Comments. Since i do not know much about Ruby, mostly just what I read on this list and in the Pickaxe book, maybe some one form here could check out the thread over there and make sure I am giving Ruby its due, and not exaggerating its weaknesses. By teh way, I admire Ruby. Although I am a Python hacker at heart, I enjoy this newsgroup, the Ruby community, and I think Matz is doing an outstanding job. I do believe though, that Python and Ruby are aimed at a very similar problem domains with similar philosophies; and that is what I began to talk about on comp.lang.python and that got the thread going. Ron Stephens http://www.awaretek.com/plf.html