Felix Natter wrote: > hello, > > I have an m:n relationsship (has_and_belongs_to_many) between the models There's a whole mailing list dedicated to Ruby on Rails and populated with people who love to discuss RoR. While there are some Rails-ers here, you're going to get a lot more help on the RoR list. Find it here: http://www.rubyonrails.com/community -- RMagick: http://rmagick.rubyforge.org/ RMagick 2: http://rmagick.rubyforge.org/rmagick2.html