> Here are my numbers for the same template > with no layout in merb and vintage, Also note that this goes through > merbs router and instantiates a full controlller object which vintage > does not. > Well, to be all technical and whatever, Vintage's RequestContext objects are one step away from controllers. I whipped up an MVC architecture on top of Vintage last night with router and all and only lost about 10 r/s. But Merb's performance is still really, really impressive. Now I have to go back and tweak everything! ;) --Jeremy -- http://www.jeremymcanally.com/ My books: Ruby in Practice http://www.manning.com/mcanally/ My free Ruby e-book http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/ My blogs: http://www.mrneighborly.com/ http://www.rubyinpractice.com/