On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 01:22:12AM +0900, Erik Boling wrote: > if i save them to C: drive and try to run them, cmd says shoes is an > unitialized constant. Is there a way to kind of break free of shoes and > be able to run it with other things like cmd? So, it sounds like you used the Shoes installer, right? If you look in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Shoes you should see version 0.r315 installed, is that true? Open a command prompt and run: cd C:\Program Files\Common Files\Shoes\0.r315 shoes samples\timer.rb Does that help any? _why