On Nov 26, 8:35 pm, "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <zn... / cesmail.net> wrote: > I don't think Rails is "the > gateway drug to Ruby". It was mine. I now very much like Ruby for its own sake, but Rails brought me to the party. > That's demeaning to both Rails and Ruby, for one > thing. For another thing, I don't believe for a minute that a team of > people as talented as the people who built Rails couldn't duplicate it > and its success or even improve upon it in *any* language. I respectfully disagree. Other languages, yes, *any* language, no. Of course, you and I may differ on the meaning of "success". > And by *any* > language, I include macro assembler, C++, Forth, Lisp/Scheme, Ada and > Java in addition to the "easy to use languages" -- Perl, Python and PHP. > In other words, "nothing succeeds like success." :)