Me thinks you are wasting finger muscle calories replying to ATM.  Now maybe
if you put tin foil over your head and stared at Venus, you might be able to
get through to him.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Feldt" <feldt / ce.chalmers.se>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk / ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:54 AM
Subject: [ruby-talk:27444] Re: SF vs. Savannah modulo XP AI


> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Arthur T. Murray wrote:
>
> > ATM:
> > Mind.Ruby proposes to "save the world" through eXtreme Programming
> > in the emergence of true artificial intelligence for bringing about
> > http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~phoenix/vinge/vinge-sing.html (q.v.).
> >
> Modest goals ;-)
>
> > None will dispute that AI programming is _the_ crucial software
> >
> I think many will dispute that.
>
> > issue of 2001+ and a language like Ruby is the most important ever,
> > because Mind.Ruby bridges the gap between Western free-thinking AI
> > and Japanese "groupthink society" technical supremacy in robotics.
> >
> > In support of Ruby and in spite of the extremely closed-minded
> > witch-hunt mentality of its chief practitioners ("Ruby is too
> > important to be left to the Ruby rubes." ), a quasi-foundry is
> > http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/1000 --
> > FAQTS : Computers : Programming : Languages : Ruby.
> >
> I think it would be good if you describe in more detail how your project
> depends on or uses Ruby. We have'nt seen any code even though your posts
> and home pages gives the impression there is actually code there.
>
> I think the "witch-hunt" you're referring to stems from a
> language/communication problem. Your goals and manifestos are grandiose
> and programmers tend to be sceptical until they can see real and working
> code, algorithms and/or systems. If you give some real meat people will be
> less sceptical.
>
> An example of the kind of confusion your posts and home pages creates is
> the statement above "linking" Mind.Ruby to extreme programming. I get the
> impression that XP is somehow a crucial factor in your quest to "save the
> world". Maybe it is (I'm skeptical since its a "software implementation
> technique" of sorts and the strength of your AI ideas probably doesn't
> hinge on how they are implemented) but it also feels like your trying to
> ride on the hype of XP and Ruby in promoting your project. The post to
> comp.objects etc (reaching a *LARGE* number of people) was also
> confusing; is he promoting Ruby? Is Mind.Ruby part of Ruby? etc It might
> have created confusion about what Ruby is among people who've never heard
> about it. To me that is unfortunate.
>
> If you try to describe to us in simple, everyday terms what it is you're
> up to, how it's different from AI research and knowledge and where Ruby
> fits in we'll (at least I) try to understand you better.
>
> > > If even the most paranoid Rubyists agree that
> > > Sourceforge is still cool, should we try to create
> > > a Ruby foundry? I notice there's not one.
> > ATM:
> > There may not be a specific Ruby foundry for lack of critical
> > mass in such a heretofore marginal language, but luckily there
> > _is_ a Mind.Ruby Open Source Ruby OO AI coordination page at
> > http://mind.sourceforge.net/ruby.html -- Mind-to-Ruby liaison.
> >
> What do you mean with "Open Source Ruby OO AI coordination page"? How
> does it relate to a "community" of Ruby projects at SF? To me it
> gives the impression that your project includes any other Ruby OO AI
> projects there might be. I'm doing Soft Computing (Evolutionary
> computation) with Ruby and it is sometimes considered AI or at least
> AI-related. Does this mean I should coordinate with you?
>
> And the questions in this thread wasn't specifically about AI. Why did
> you post about a specific application area (AI) when we're discussing a
> general Ruby foundry? And please don't answer that AI encompasses all
> knowledge...
>
> Regards,
>
> /Robert Feldt
>
>