-- dpctJdvUY+0kkc8aGky Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary -srr5oxcmqaEO3Thlj6tF" -- rr5oxcmqaEO3Thlj6tF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-nPsvEtWUnAArLeQb7kdQ" -- PsvEtWUnAArLeQb7kdQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2007-30-09 at 02:54 +0900, Morton Goldberg wrote: > [*] Betrand Meyer of Eiffel fame has often made fun of C++'s > reference semantics. He has claimed they are beyond the understanding > of mere mortals. He is joking, of course. I spoke with Dr. Meyer during his trip to China last year. One of the things we touched upon (naturally) was programming language design. He is not joking when he talks about C++'s reference semantics. Not in the slightest. Don't mistake his general good cheer and good nature for not vociferously hating that language. ;) -- Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter / gmail.com> (GoogleTalk: ttmrichter / gmail.com) Never, ever, ever let systems-level engineers do human interaction design unless they have displayed a proven secondary talent in that area. Their opinion of what represents good human-computer interaction tends to be a bit off-track. (Bruce Tognazzini) -- PsvEtWUnAArLeQb7kdQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.12.1"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Sun, 2007-30-09 at 02:54 +0900, Morton Goldberg wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> <FONT COLOR="#000000">[*] Betrand Meyer of Eiffel fame has often made funf C++'s </FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000">reference semantics. He has claimed they are beyondhe understanding </FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000">of mere mortals. He is joking, of course.</FONT> </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <PRE> </PRE> I spoke with Dr. Meyer during his trip to China last year. One of thehings we touched upon (naturally) was programming language design. He is not joking when he talks about C++'s reference semantics. Not in the slightest. Don't mistake his general good cheer and good natureor not vociferously hating that language. <IMG SRC="cid:1191149536.32121.1.camel@isolde" ALIGN="middle" ALT=";)" BORDER="0"><BR> <BR> <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> -- <BR> <B>Michael T. Richter</B> <ttmrichter / gmail.com> (<B>GoogleTalk:</B> ttmrichter / gmail.com)<BR> <I>Never, ever, ever let systems-level engineers do human interaction design unless they have displayed a proven secondary talent in that area. Their opinion of what represents good human-computer interaction tends to be a bit off-track. (Bruce Tognazzini)</I> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML> -- PsvEtWUnAArLeQb7kdQ-- -- rr5oxcmqaEO3Thlj6tF Content-ID: <1191149536.32121.1.camel / isolde> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smiley-4.png Content-Type: image/png; name=smiley-4.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAC/UlEQVR42n2Tf2iUdRzHX9/v8zy3 u91ulnO5pXGXUUsK1yIY9ke0CDQiodbQKCOnNieaIkKI/yRhf0QgCeEqViKUYgUOnTE9G5WtjlqB TV1bsnl0tV93u93ux3PP93meb/8sKBNf8P7jw/v9+fz1/sD/iQI7gB7AWdApoGPB+w/ihvnI/bHK bfu2NLF2zUrMcAw8G2d+mIGBi+w/nGE46XQBnTc7cOFAZ+MTO1/bgDBCuIVxnPwIQhgYwXqMQA2q MMahd+O8fWLmAvAkgLGw/MGbOx55fueuF/FKKVRxHF/NIaQFgO+kcQtjgGZ1cwyjOLXiuyG7DuiV QLSx4fat2zvX4dmTeOVphDCwvUqkWcVk2mfDnkGEtPCdLEJabH95CfctN7YBUQk83XNoMUJaTE+M cuT476x9pZfmZ3sI1D7D8fMeP/2a4a3uGaqWt6Ly1zBDdbzadhvAowLomrn0eocqXMeoqCVU+xga E2mYlKb6sSINtG58gzOnTzGf/BR7+hukWUni52u07p04aS5bdudmAN/NURZ3oSe+RBhhhLTQGsqZ BKd7Pic3fhSVGwLAtaeoX2IAPGem02kQJrP5EHJRHYb0CHhZtG+CdtFeiezIO2h3Hu17OI6Dqxzy RR8AadvlXu0WqDSm6O87xkzWx6p+AF/l8N08vmejvRLaV7jKJjNnEwwvJTXtASQk0FecOEsoUs/6 9RuJx8+RGOgjuLgZK7ISzBo8X9L/w1+07RnmnqZ2RpNlrg7lAU4IILrq3sh437GnMCruIFD9IL8M fsvQpUE+OiO4fGWYRVUGhw+2sablIZJXPiN+cYwPT2b4LaUb/mli94Etsfatm5pwi0kisU1Y4RUI IfHsSTQalR/lcuJj/ph0Od8/y9G46gI6/13lrzrW1bTs3RwmEKxGyAp8lWN2rkShpCkrzfU/FYkf 53j/rPM18PjNnqn77jrZ/kJLFasaQ4SDglJZk533GUspvjiXZSTFJ8BL3IIosBv4HlBAGrgKvAc8 fGP4b4kpTGRKdd96AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC -- rr5oxcmqaEO3Thlj6tF-- -- dpctJdvUY+0kkc8aGky Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG/3/3LqyWkKVQ54QRAlTMAJ9rWMo+dVWD9A4HaWFv2g3zp7lMTgCgv7rx beCnkpW3N90wARaDsNkKrFQ|0D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- dpctJdvUY+0kkc8aGky--