On 9/24/07, Paul Brannan <pbrannan / atdesk.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:49:22PM +0900, Michael T. Richter wrote: > > You're still playing into their game. You're reacting to the troll's > > input. If you want to share the good news about YARV performance, > > start your own breathless thread. Don't respond to a troll. > > ESPECIALLY don't quote the troll and do a point-by-point counter. > > That's exactly what they're looking for. > > Let me give you a little secret: the troll knows all your countering > > arguments. In another forum, under a different name, the troll is > > using those very same arguments to tweak the noses of other people and > > make them "dance to his strings". The only winning move, as the old > > movie goes, is not to play the game. > > You sure do seem to know a lot about trolls. :) > > Seriously, though, any move that falls outside the troll's script is a > valid move. Not playing at all works, but rarely, since not everyone > follows that advice. > > I've found that trolling the troll also works, that is, making plausible > but ridicuous arguments in order to frustrate the troll. This is a > difficult maneuver in a public forum like this one. > > Responding in kindness rather than argumentatively works as well, if the > troll's intentions were to start an argument. > > People with crediblity should almost never respond to a troll, because > their response gives the troll credibility, so if you are going to try > to beat the troll at his own game, get an alias, or limit your responses > to those which reduce the troll's credibility while keeping your own > intact. > > Calling the troll a troll is dangerous, since it's essentially an ad > hominem attack that can reduce your own credibility over time. > > The goal in any response to a thread started by the troll should be to > prevent thread explosion. If the thread has already reached critical > mass, responding to the thread further postpones its death. > > Trolls can also show up in real life situations. These trolls are best > handled by turning the forum into a debate so, keeping in mind that the > goal of a debate is to convince the audience rather than the other > person. > > Paul > What do you have against trolls, did you not here about the newest revelations about Koom valley ? Sorry I could not resist; for those who do not read all Terry Pratchett books ;)... I am not sure if there is any better strategy than ignoring them, there are sometimes of course very serious and valid posts because some people do not think it is a troll in the first place and starting a discussion about what to do about trolls in the troll's thread might be counter productive. I tend to ignore them, and sometimes I throw in a "Don't feed the troll" when I feel it is appropriate (carries information for the replier). After all if the troll gets some food the thread becomes uninteresting... Sometimes I try to warn people not to lose their time, but it is *their* time anyway. Cheers Robert > > -- I'm an atheist and that's it. I believe there's nothing we can know except that we should be kind to each other and do what we can for other people. -- Katharine Hepburn