Well, i fixed it i was being a complete tard, and typed in ie.link, not ie.frame. some how this got messed up from there? i don'tknow.. maybe i was going insane *washing too many dishes @ my summer job??? :P* Anyways.. things are working awesome, took me a looong time to figure out that not all the things there are links, some are buttons, which meant that i had to use :value not :text... On a side not *and as an attempt not to spam the forums* I'm reading this online book, Programming Ruby : the pragmatic program and i came across attributes. class Song def duration @duration end end aSong = Song.new("Bicylops", "Fleck", 260) aSong.duration ยป 260 Now to me theses look a lot like what my cousin was calling "keywords" like .zip and what not. are these the same thing but the keywords or *built in* attributes? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.