> I am happy to start a new thread next time, but may I ask where that > shows up? http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-talk-google/browse_frm/thread/0f3b7ae4f6727e70/86ee2945d8385693 You see? 1 thread, and 3, no, wait, 4 subjects! And at least one of the posts has 2 questions. It's a good habit to ask one question per thread. (To avoid forking.) gegroet, Erik V. - http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/