I work for a large conservative BigCo, but have been using Ruby for some time now - sort of unofficially. Recently I managed to get approval to train other people in Ruby so they too would be able to use it. My first training session begins tomorrow with a small (but enthusiastic) group. Funny thing is, I sent out an email to see who would be interested, and *all* the responses I got back were from older people (as in older than 30 [being generous :-) ]) who's backgrounds were in Cobol and mainframes. They're not exactly up-to-date with latest programming ideas (none had even heard of Ruby) but they're pretty smart and I can't wait. Just writing this as encouragement for anyone in the same position as myself. Cheers, Dave