-- -ell, it happened! /Lew -- -Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Path: news.panix.com!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo <dave / dogwood.com> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.lang.python Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.ruby passes 200:16 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <956929413.9394 / isc.org> References: <954456262.23656 / isc.org> <955393816.29413 / isc.org> Supersedes: <955393816.29413 / isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request / isc.org Archive-Name: comp.lang.ruby Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:43:33 GMT Lines: 328 Xref: news.panix.com news.announce.newgroups:11157 news.groups:391127 comp.lang.java.programmer:335671 comp.lang.misc:32115 comp.lang.perl.misc:303368 comp.lang.python:87408 RESULT unmoderated group comp.lang.ruby passes 200:16 There were 200 YES votes and 16 NO votes, for a total of 216 valid votes. There were 5 abstentions and 2 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.lang.ruby The Ruby dynamic OO programming language. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Apr 2000. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Conrad Schneiker <schneiker / jump.net> Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <dave / dogwood.com> RATIONALE: comp.lang.ruby Ruby is a very-high-level, dynamic object oriented programming language. Ruby provides many of the best-liked power and convenience features of Perl and Python on one hand, with an elegantly simple and powerful syntax that was partly inspired by Eiffel and Ada on the other hand. Ruby is a more thoroughly objected oriented language than Python, and some Ruby features were inspired by Smalltalk. Ruby is an open source language. There are over 1000 members of 4 Japanese Ruby mail lists (general, developers, math, extension writers), with a peak volume topping 100 messages per day. At present, there is one English Ruby mail list with about 175 members, with a recent volume often exceeding 10 messages per day and growing. Many users of the Japanese Ruby mail lists have some understanding of English and are also prospective comp.lang.ruby users as well. Much of 1999's newsgroup discussion of Ruby took place on comp.lang.python, which is not optimal, since comp.lang.python is dedicated to the Python language. For obvious reasons, Ruby users do not post there frequently. In 2000, most Ruby discussion has occurred in comp.lang.misc. This again is not ideal since other comp.lang.misc regulars are typically more interested in issues that transcend Ruby, and have said as much. In Japan, Ruby has overtaken Python in terms of popular usage. During 1999 and into early 2000, Ruby has been featured in several articles in the English language software trade press, indicating it is at the takeoff threshold that Perl and Python attained years ago. (Please see http://www-4.ibm.com/software/developer/library/ruby.html for the latest example.) The English language Ruby home page is http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/, which provides links to documentation and download pages for Ruby. CHARTER: comp.lang.ruby The comp.lang.ruby newsgroup is devoted to discussions of the Ruby programming language and related issues. Examples of relevant postings include, but are not be limited to, the following subjects: - Bug reports - Announcements of software written with Ruby - Examples of Ruby code - Suggestions for Ruby developers - Requests for help from new Ruby programmers The newsgroup is not moderated. Binaries are prohibited (except the small PGP type). Advertising is prohibited (except for announcements of new Ruby-related products). END CHARTER. comp.lang.ruby Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy#research.canon.com.au Andy Newman joandvan#ihug.com.au joandvan alxx#tig.com.au al jim_g#tig.com.au Jim p.fuller#student.murdoch.edu.au Paul Fuller geldridg#progsoc.uts.edu.au Geoff Eldridge toivo#ucs.uwa.edu.au Toivo Pedaste gcross#netspace.net.au Graeme Cross doctor#doctor.nl2k.ab.ca Dave Yadallee trevort#vianet.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk MSteed#altiris.com Mike Steed ml#au.com Mike Linksvayer kimdv#best.com Kim DeVaughn dgoodger#bigfoot.com David Goodger jcm#bigskytel.com David Porter Eric.Peterson2#PSS.Boeing.com Eric Peterson Makoto.Nakagawa#jp.compaq.com Nakagawa Makoto fenghou#erols.com Jack Hou</FONT></DIV> julesd#erols.com Jules Dubois smlucas#famvid.com Steven Lucas emile#fenx.com Emile van Sebille mzadka#geocities.com Moshe Zadka Henry#hdsSystems.com Henry Schneiker SchaeferFFM#hotmail.com Oliver Schaefer thucdat#hotmail.com Dat Nguyen tetsu#jpn.hp.com Tetsuya WATANABE gnhurst#hurstlinks.com Guy N. Hurst sullivan#Mathcom.COM Steve Sullivan petelyons#mindspring.com Pete Lyons Taka.Adachi#msdw.com Takanori Adachi tim_one#email.msn.com Tim Peters jolomo#netcom.com Joey Morris tgm#netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams Ralph.Amissah#operamail.com Ralph Amissah tseaver#palladion.com Tres Seaver apter#panix.com stevan apter Tbone#pimpdaddy.com Tushar Samant jimrtex#pipeline.com Jim Riley wknaka#pobox.com Wes Nakamura wang#rjka.com Huayin Wang jbauer#rubic.com Jeff Bauer chris.browne#sabre.com Christopher Browne takaaki.higuchi#Japan.Sun.COM Takaaki Higuchi peter#taronga.com Peter da Silva Dave#Thomases.com Dave Thomas juliet#thomases.com Juliet Thomas andy#Toolshed.Com Andrew Hunt ellie#Toolshed.Com Ellie Callahan joe31416#voicenet.com Joe Myers Abhay.Natu#wcom.com Abhay Natu xanthian#well.com Kent Paul Dolan rascproponents#yahoo.com Brian P. Sweeney wpostma#ztr.com <SPAN classH5464314-31032000> mrilu#ale.cx mrilu mertz#gnosis.cx David Mertz Juergen.Cohrs#alcatel.de Juergen Cohrs Ekkehard.Uthke#gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke peter.sommerfeld#gmx.de Peter Sommerfeld burow#ifh.de Burkhard D. Steinmacher-Burow sn#neopoly.de Sven Neuhaus vote-de#kholdan.snafu.de Tobias Erle Walter.Zettel#t-online.de Walter Zettel bouvin#daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin jpsecher#diku.dk Jens Peter Secher quinn#groat.ugcs.caltech.edu Quinn Dunkan cjc26#cornell.edu Cliff Crawford adam#mlug.missouri.edu Adam Procter neelk#alum.mit.edu Neel Krishnaswami behrends#cse.msu.edu Reimer Behrends shippy#cs.nmt.edu Jeff Shipman rcl211#is9.nyu.edu Robert C Linwood graham#ccs.ucsb.edu Graham Hughes reic0024#d.umn.edu Aaron J Reichow uscfadsl#ds.cesga.es David S de Lis hcjake#cs.hut.fi Jaakko Vayrynen decoux#moulon.inra.fr Guy Decoux dcalvelo#pharion.univ-lille2.fr Daniel Calvelo drew.mcdowell#msfc.nasa.gov Andrew D. McDowell legradi#alpha1.obuda.kando.hu Gabor Legradi ariels#compugen.co.il Ariel Scolnicov masato#csys.ce.hiroshima-cu.ac.jp Masato KIYAMA gotoken#math.sci.hokudai.ac.jp GOTO Kentaro masa#koala.astro.isas.ac.jp Masahiro Tanaka thitoshi#ne.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp TAKAHASHI Hitoshi nagai#ai.kyutech.ac.jp Hidetoshi NAGAI sinara#blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp Shin-ichiro HARA ogino#coop.nagoya-u.ac.jp Mitsuru Ogino naosone#naruto-u.ac.jp Naoto SONE ohdachi#nifs.ac.jp Satoshi Ohdachi washizu#kkc1.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp Hitoshi Washizu fukusima#goto.info.waseda.ac.jp Masaki Fukushima igarashi#ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp Hiroshi Igarashi os#iij.ad.jp OHARA Shigeki ksasaki#kddnet.ad.jp Kan Sasaki Taiji.Can#atesoft.advantest.co.jp Taiji Kan suenaga#birds.co.jp SUENAGA Tomohiro p95#brain-tokyo.co.jp Taku Nakajima kimura#sqa.canon.co.jp KIMURA Koichi fit0298#fitec.co.jp ARIMA Yasuhiro inoue#ftv.co.jp Hirosi Inoue ogi#open.nm.fujitsu.co.jp Takayuki Ogihara tachino#open.nm.fujitsu.co.jp Tachino Nobuhiro uno#open.nm.fujitsu.co.jp Shunji Uno ito#htk.hitachi-cable.co.jp Ito Kazumitsu kyamada#hitachi-densa.co.jp Yamada Kenji agawa#tir.hitachi-sk.co.jp Norio Agawa mt#izu.co.jp Masato Toyoshima taca#kyoto.jepro.co.jp Takahiro Kambe Shinichi_Hiramoto#justsystem.co.jp HIRAMOTO Shin-ichi kitamura#jzf.co.jp Mikiya Kitamura sa-sakamoto#kddwinstar.co.jp Sadayuki Sakamoto hide#lisa.co.jp Hideyuki Ezaki inouesin#pic.melco.co.jp Shinichi Inoue kima#np.bs1.fc.nec.co.jp KIMATA Isao h_inoue#netlab.co.jp Hiroshi Inoue matz#netlab.co.jp Yukihiro Matsumoto shugo#netlab.co.jp Shugo Maeda kondo#nik-prt.co.jp Mitsuhiro Kondo hmorita#ohmsha.co.jp Hisashi Morita adachi#tpegasus.lab.okidata.co.jp Jun Adachi miyagawa#sanritz.co.jp Seiichi Miyagawa komatsu#sarion.co.jp Katsuyuki Komatsu thata#net.sony.co.jp Takashi Hatakeyama tamori#sm.sony.co.jp Hirofumi Tamori kanematu#sra.co.jp Daiji KANEMATSU aoki#technoa.co.jp Hirotaka AOKI kawata#titan.co.jp Masahiro Kawata anakata#vector.co.jp Ataru NAKATA hengsu#winningrun.co.jp HengSu Kim takagi#etl.go.jp Hiromitsu Takagi irie#hri.pref.hokkaido.jp Yuji simtak#mua.biglobe.ne.jp Takashi Shimizu junji999#mud.biglobe.ne.jp Junzi TAKAHASHI kyano#mva.biglobe.ne.jp YANO Kyoji ikarashi#d3.dion.ne.jp IKARASHI Akira marutomo#jade.dti.ne.jp INOUE Tomoichi masao-k#a-net.email.ne.jp ΆβΈχ²νΙΧ kai#star.email.ne.jp Kazuhiko IZAWA ymsd#ns.m-net.ne.jp Yuichi Masuda nnakamur#mxq.mesh.ne.jp Noritsugu Nakamura nobu.nakada#nifty.ne.jp Nobuyoshi Nakada felio#peanet.ne.jp YAMASHIRO Shunsuke greentea#fa2.so-net.ne.jp Tomoyuki Kosimizu tomokazu#pc4.so-net.ne.jp MATSUSHIMA Tomokazu toshirok#yb3.so-net.ne.jp Toshiro Kuwabara ozawa#mba.sphere.ne.jp Makoto Ozawa wakou#fsinet.or.jp Wakou Aoyama earth#hokuto7.or.jp Hisashi Wakai(earth) shoch#jsdi.or.jp Shoichi OZAWA ogochan#linux.or.jp platypus#a1.mbn.or.jp Yoshinori Tahara kaneoka#grn.mmtr.or.jp KANEOKA Shinji noroi#mob.or.jp IKEDA Kenji aygoofy#kt.rim.or.jp Akihiro Yamauchi hisashim#kt.rim.or.jp hisashi y. morita tadf#kt.rim.or.jp Tadayoshi Funaba inaba#st.rim.or.jp Inaba Hiroto hattori#ppp.upload.or.jp Masashi Hattori Suketa<CQN02273#nifty.ne.jp> Masaki Suketa h.fulton#att.net Hal Fulton jaredr#bellsouth.net jared richardson n8gray#earthlink.net Nathaniel Gray rzimmerle#earthlink.net Robert Zimmerle kikutani#galaxy.net Kikutani, Makoto c.hintze#gmx.net Clemens Hintze d.hintze#gmx.net Dirk Hintze jmh#gmx.net Jan Haar shrogers#ionet.net Steven H. Rogers schneiker#jump.net Conrad Schneiker MAP2303#mapletown.net Daisuke Kanda franke#meso.net Stefan Franke cartisan#pacwestracing.net Neal Cappel edwards#rahul.net Gregory Edwards evert#royal.net Evert Meulie esq cind0revs#toadmail.toad.net Arthur J Mongan scarblac-rt#pino.selwerd.nl Remco Gerlich boud#rempt.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt kai.andresen#chello.no Kai Andresen jaj39#student.canterbury.ac.nz J Alan Jackson John_David_Galt#acm.org John David Galt perin#acm.org Lewis Perin sferris#acm.org Scott M. Ferris darkskyz#cyberspace.org Tomer Brisker crouton#duelists.org OZAWA Sakuro quinet#gamers.org Raphael Quinet imain#gtk.org Ian Main h_inoue#hi-fun.org Hiro Inoue koyama#hoge.org KOYAMA Tetsuji jc#joerch.org Jvrg Czeranski t#kondara.org Toru Hoshina mentifex#scn.org Arthur T. Murray larry#smith-house.org Larry Smith dave#technopagan.org David E. Smith ysjj#unixuser.org Junji Yamashita wormboyslim#wiggly.org Nigel Rantor mak#mikroplan.com.pl Grzegorz Makarewicz qrczak#knm.org.pl Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk hgs#dmu.ac.uk Hugh Sasse james#obeah.demon.co.uk James Coupe bill#xencat.co.uk William Boughton Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yan#storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille ru#cls.usask.ca Ru Igarashi stainles#bga.com Dwight Brown mcclenon#erols.com Bob McClenon gprrspw#mindspring.com G.P. Ryan rootbeer#redcat.com Tom Phoenix pimentel#ultranet.com J Pimentel Thilo.Ernst#gmd.de Thilo Ernst naddy#mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber rick#bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller 4ws#gibsoncounty.net Kurt Weber mmontcha#OregonVOS.net Matthew Montchalin denebeim#deepthot.org Jay Denebeim sthoenna#efn.org Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes phd#sun.med.ru Oleg Broytmann chriseb#ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- chris#kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman sleepy#os.com Alexander Pennace r.vanette#pink.nl Robert-Jan van Ette james#sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk James Farrar merlin#netlink.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees Invalid ballots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mntsui#netvigator.com tsui man ngar ! No vote statement in message mjd#plover.com ! No vote statement in message To restore the email addresses above, pipe the ack list through the following command: sed -e 's/#/@/g' -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo <dave / dogwood.com> Voting address: vote / dogwood.com -- --- Lew Perin / perin / mail.med.cornell.edu / perin / acm.org www.panix.com/~perin/ -- -