A few notes in reply...

On Mar 29, 11:10 pm, "Helder Ribeiro" <hel... / gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bret! Thanks for answering. My initial intention was to send this
> to you, then I decided to open it up here. Ended up getting both.
> Comments follow.

Frankly, you are probably more likely to get a prompt response
(relatively prompt, that is) posting here, rather than to me directly.

> > 2. Help with the FireWatir port ofWatir. We are running into some
> > inconsistencies between FireWatir andWatir::IE (akaWatir). See the
> > FireWatir mailing list for details. These are a problem for people who
> > want to run tests using either browser.
>
> Is this being discussed in theWatir-general list? That's the only one
> I found. If there's one specific for FireWatir please show me where.

The firewatir list is hosted on Google.

> > 5. You should know that theWatir-recorder team recently released
> > their Watin Recorder -- there may be things to learn there.
>
> Thanks for the heads up. All I could find was a short release note.
> There seems to be close to no documentation at all. Do you know if
> there is any outside the openqa website? Do you know what's the
> difference between Wati*R* Recorder and Wati*N* Recorder?

The Watir recorder creates Watir scripts. The first version was in C#,
but it was ported to ruby. The Watin recorder creates Watin Scripts.
Watin is .Net. They same team created both of these. They seem to have
used Watir for a while, but now seem to be focusing on Watin and the
Watin recorder.

> This really seems like the way to go. As I'm new to everything
> concerning these tools, I really needed some light to see if I was
> getting it right. The project still seems relevant, but there's a lot
> more I hadn't thought of. Thanks for the broader view.
>
> Now, do you think any of the ideas you gave has greater priority and
> should be done before the Selenium-IDE-outputs-Watir-code idea? I
> don't know if I can change my application objectives in mid-flight,
> but if there's something that's more urgent for the community and that
> still can be done in 3 months, I'd love to make it work.

I think you need to make up your own mind on this.

> > It might also simply help to provide up-to-date comparison information
> > onWatirvs. Selenium. Several have been done, but they are all over a
> > year old (that i've seen) and all the tools have improved
> > substantially in that time.
>
> Tell me about it. I've been rushing through old blog posts, old
> tutorials, old everything about them to get a grasp about what makes
> them different and when I think I've nailed it I find something a bit
> more recent (but still old) aying it's all changed. I'll start
> documenting my findings and then I'll try sum it up on a blog post or
> something.

Well, actually this is really the thing that you should put at the top
of your list. Several years ago, I was researching open source testing
tools and collected my findings in a set of lecture notes called
Homebrew Test Automation (use google if you want to find it). In a
way, they were the research I needed to do first before deciding to
commit myself both to Watir as well as to support the release of
Selenium (which I helped launch).

Many people have some of the same questions as you, but communities
have been diverging (Selenium, Watir, Watin...) and as each of the
tools has become more featured and more complex and overcome earlier
shortcomings, no one really knows where the different tools really
stand right now. I have a rough idea, but am really just trying to
keep the Watir community (Watir for IE, SafariWatir, FireWatir,
MineralWatir) from diverging.

Bret