Austin Ziegler wrote: > Sorry, Daniel, but you didn't show anything. You *claimed* that > they're similar; you conflated things that have no relationship > whatsoever. It might be impudent of me but have you considered that just maybe *you* are the one who can't *see* the relationship? But you are right I didn't show anything. Just take any ORM layer and the fact that you can directly and easily map a SQLDB to an object model is all the proof I need that a RDBMS *can* indeed be expressed as an object graph and that an OODB can therefore be relational. > You're right that object graphs don't *have* to be hierarchical; > object databases are uniformly so, though. I have trouble believing that *all* of OODB implementers would be so stupid as to implement a hierarchical-only structure. If that is indeed the case then I can see that a being a complete waste of time. It's now clear to me that we are arguing about different things; you about the (hierarchical) OODBs that you know and I about the (relational) OODBs that I can imagine. In the end, I believe OO is more about the physical model than the logical model of data. Darn semantics strike again! > I highly recommend you take > the time it requires to study relational theory. I'm not a heavy > practitioner myself, anymore -- I don't do stuff that needs databases > right now. Unfortunately my brain has a strong resistance to jargon-rich litterature such as academic papers or legalese. :-( Daniel