> Unfortunately this is true. Matz is nice so we are nice. Abusiveness > and bad manners are inappropriate. Maybe so, but IMHO directness is often interpreted as abusiveness or bad manners. I personally appreciate Austin's directness, and that of many others (although it would probably sting if it were me on the receiving end:) Then again, I usually try very hard to do my research before I post a (technical) opinion. Sometimes I post in haste and get slammed; I usually deserve it. Some very smart or successful (or both) people were and are considered by many to be rude or abusive (for example, Theo de Raadt, Charles Babbage, Eric Raymond, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Richard Stallman). I'm sure there are many reasons for this; still, one thought is that people like these get incredibly frustrated by receiving opinions that are not based on much (or any) due diligence, and questions that have been asked (and answered) a million times and are usually easy (or at least possible) to find using Google. One's patience would imaginably wear very thin when the signal to noise ratio of posts or emails is regularly low. Then again, sometimes people *are* just plain rude. Bottom line is, I agree with ESR: "Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy." My 2c. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.