Thought I'd like to drop another issue in this thread which is often missed. I absolutely love electronic versions of books - in fact, they are critical to me being able to stay up to speed within my profession and allow me access to lots of information I wouldn't normally have. This is because I'm a blind programmer and printed books are simply not accessible. However, I am somewhat frustrated and annoyed with corporate attitudes and the way things are getting twisted and turned around in this area. Copyright has changed from being protection for the author against their work being 'stolen' and claimed by others or even to ensure a resonable compensation for their effort to government sanctioned protection for corporations and protection of their market. Furthermore, it has an underlying assumption that we are all immoral untrustworthy individuals who must be forced by legislation into doing the "right thing". A premise which I reject. The unfortunate consequence of this and the growing use of DRM means that users like me are actually losing access to material. Commercial screen reader manufacturers are having trouble keeping up with all the DRM mechanisms. As a result, the cost of producing such software is increasing and the need to upgrade often (at a cost) is increasing. There are no good open source solutions available because you can't get access to the DRM scheme internals unless you pay and even then, you couldn't include it in the source because of nondisclosure issues and you cannot reverse engineer it without running the risk of being sued etc. Worse stil is the fact that if I want to access all this potentially wonderful electronic information, I have to use Windows because this is really the only platform with good quality commercial screen readers that will work well with things like Adobe or other DRM enabled readers (there are many you cannot use even then). Essentially, I lose my choice on what platform I wish to use and I'm restricted to using expensive commercial software (and screen reader software is expensive because of the limited market and high maintenance/development costs). Things are getting worse. Universities are now beginning to increasingly talk about intelectual property and the need to use DRM for the material they produce. This will make access to educational material even more difficult for anyone with vision impairment. This is particularly unfortunate for many who are vision impaired because it is often in areas of intellectual pursuits that we can compete on a level playing field, provided we can access the learning materials. then of course there is the broader question. If I purchase material that uses a particular DRM scheme and that scheme gets depricated over time and replaced by newer schemes, what responsability does the retailer have to ensure I can still access the original material I purchased X years ago? Obviously, this issue doesn't occur with printed books. However, with electronic books, it is an issue. All of this aside, the bit that irks me the most is the underlying assumption implicit in all of this DRM that I'm essentially an immoral individual with a flawed character and I have to be controlled by legislation and technology to protect the revenue of a company. A company which must be using a flawed business model if they cannot succeed without such protection. The salt is rubbed in further by the fact its likely I still won't be able to access the material even when I do pay for it. To try and get things back on topic for the group - one of the things that made me try out ruby was the availability of accessible material, such as the pragmatic programmers ruby book etc. I'd be quite willing to pay for electronic books like this one as long as I can then use it how I want - often, this means converting it into text or html so that I can access it from my preferred platform, Linux. The other good thing about getting into ruby is that there is a wealth of material out there from users, such as blogs, guides and tutorials that members of the ruby community have made available to anyone who wants them. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au