So it seems komodo and black adder are in the same boat for ruby support. An editor but no ide. At least komodo doesn't claim to have Ruby as black adder does <grin>. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Kilmer [mailto:rich / infoether.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:30 PM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: [ruby-talk:23571] Re: komodo (was: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question) Well...ActiveState has an interest in Ruby, but no exact timeframe yet. As for other things, on Win32 I've gone to using ScTE (www.scintilla.org). Its a great editing component for for lots of languages including Ruby. It also runs on Linux. Its not really an IDE (no project mgt, debugging, etc) but its a great editor. As for any other IDEs for Ruby...we'll see what Santa brings for Christmas ;) -Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mchahn / facelink.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:22 PM > To: ruby-talk ML > Subject: [ruby-talk:23569] RE: komodo (was: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy > question) > > > > Thanks. Looks great. Any idea when Ruby support will happen? > > I'm new to scripting development environments. Is komodo about > the best for > perl/python? Are there any others that exist or are coming along I should > know about? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Kilmer [mailto:rich / infoether.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:19 PM > To: ruby-talk ML > Subject: [ruby-talk:23536] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > see http://www.activestate.com/Products/ASPN_Komodo/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mchahn / facelink.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:14 PM > > To: ruby-talk ML > > Subject: [ruby-talk:23535] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > > > > > > What is Komodo? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: F. GEIGER [mailto:fgeiger / datec.at] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:51 AM > > To: ruby-talk ML; undisclosed-recipients: > > Subject: [ruby-talk:23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > > > > Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which > > are in one or > > the other way "pragmatic" and rather similar. > > > > A language is pragmatic if the language itself is pragmatic and > there are > > tools existing supporting it. This applies to Python, but yet > not to Ruby. > > > > When there's an IDE available for Ruby with visual debugger > support (Black > > Adder is very promising in this regard, but is itself beta now > > for 2 or more > > years; Komodo will be there first probably), I'll give Ruby a *real* try > > ("Always step thru your code", you know...). > > > > I tried Ruby for several times now (since end of 2000), but I > > simply am not > > one of those, who's able to program within an ASCII editor, doing all > > debugging by scattering all those prints or puts' onto my code. I > > even found > > programming Perl tolerable when I discovered that there is a > > possibility to > > start-up a visual debugger. > > > > What about the language itself? Well, I find Ruby's blocks > appealing, but > > can't say much more yet. When I will have worked more than 45 > minutes ;-) > > with Ruby, I can say more, until then I cannot. > > > > Anyway, languages are tools. And any programmer should have > more than one > > tool in his bag of tools. So you'll not find me fighting language wars. > > You'll find me using languages, not fighting for them or against them. > > > > Best regards > > Franz GEIGER > > > > > > "Dave Thomas" <Dave / PragmaticProgrammer.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:m2pu7buj3k.fsf / zip.local.thomases.com... > > > > > > I want to start out with a statement: this is not a message about > > > which language is better. Instead, I'm trying to clarify some vague > > > thought I have by seeing if anyone else can explain it :) > > > > > > For me personally, Ruby and Python have different characters. It isn't > > > that one is better that the other in any absolute sense: they just > > > feel different when I use them. From talking with folks, this seems to > > > be a common experience. > > > > > > So, here's my question. As Paul Prescod has said, Ruby and Python are > > > fairly similar in many significant ways. Despite this, I personally > > > have never managed to get excited about Python, but liked Ruby so much > > > I wrote a book about it. Other folks have the opposite experience, > > > loving Python and not finding much to thrill them about Ruby. Why is > > > that? Is it some kind of personality clash between the language and > > > the programmer? Is it liking what you're used to? Is it liking or > > > disliking the philosophies of the languages' designers? Or is it > > > something else? > > > > > > I have some very vague idea of what it might be (at least as far as > > > I'm concerned), but I'd like to see what people think before posting > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > >