Yes, intended. It means, that the language itself is only part of the whole. The other part is infrastructure. To be productive *I* need a language enabling me to be productive *and* tools like editors, debuggers, project managers to enable me to exploit that possible productiveness. To be concrete: To program Python I currently use Wing IDE, which offers to me what *I* need to program: An editor with calltips, a visual debugger and a project manager. As soon as those or similar tools exist for Ruby, I'll try Ruby. Best Regards Franz "Marko Schulz" <in6x059 / public.uni-hamburg.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20011026121245.A2765 / scheibenwelt... > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 04:51:27PM +0900, F. GEIGER wrote: > > > > A language is pragmatic if the language itself is pragmatic and there are > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Was this self-reference intended? If yes: What does it mean? If no: > What was meant instead? > > -- > marko schulz > >