dbl... / wobblini.net wrote: > Even when it's 2007++ integers will still be immutable, immediate > values :-) I much prefer having people have to learn that that's how > Ruby integers are. To be fair, that's a perfectly reasonable argument if ++ were to be a method call. If it's to be programmer convenience for x += 1 (syntax sugar for x=x+1) however, it could also be implemented as syntax sugar. I'm personally perfectly happy without ++, but there are certainly ways that it *could* be added to Ruby without violating the immutable objects.