> > The Netherlands, to be exact. I can't be sure whether it's sufficient,
> > but I've been told you can probably get permission to fire someone if he's
> 
> Heh.  Germany was like that, too.  Dang socialism.
> 
> Personally, I think the downsides of that are more than offset by the 
> upsides.  In America, we have no job security, unless you work for the 
> govornment.  Bang, you're laid off, no warning.  I think our way often puts 
> the health of companies ahead of the health of individuals, which I don't 
> approve of.

On the other hand, if a company goes out of business because it has to carry 
unproductive or inept employees a lot more people are hurt than just those 
few who might otherwise been fired.

I've found reliable job security in doing something valuable for the company.
Not always a guarantee, but by and large those I've known who lost jobs for
no good reason were always able to find another one rather quick.


> 
> > That can be a real problem here. Although I must say that I'm
> 
> What, training people in problematic?
> 
> > Heck, most people even go to the Visual Basic and Software Process
> > Improvement courses voluntarily.
> 
> <shudder> You're infected with VB, too?  Oh my.

Hey!  I, er, *know* some peope who use VB, and there's no need to get snippy!


James