I haven't played with rand, but Time.now.to_i should get you a useful seed value. -jro On Nov 28, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Smgspices / aol.com wrote: > Surely it must be possible to initialize rand with current date and > time. > Documents seem to indicate this is done with rand(0) or srand with > no value. I > have tried both methods and I get the same tired old sequence of > numbers. I > would write my own random number generator except I don't know how > to get a > numeric value out of Time. > > Charles Gray