M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Ola Bini wrote:
>> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> jRuby is an investment. Only time will tell whether that investment 
>>> will pay off and what the payoffs will be. I don't know enough about 
>>> the Java runtime (or the CLR or Parrot, for that matter) to predict 
>>> success or failure. I'm personally much more interested in the open 
>>> source community efforts. There are many more opportunities for me to 
>>> create signal there than there are in two corporations, neither of 
>>> which pays me a dime. :)
>>>
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> From your post I got the distinct impression that JRuby is no longer 
>> an open source project: "I'm personally much more interested in the 
>> open source community efforts."
>> I just want to chime in and inform you that JRuby is still an Open 
>> Source project and very much a community effort. Charles and Tom are 
>> hired by Sun, but they are by no means the only ones contributing code 
>> to JRuby. Would Ruby stop being a community effort if Matz was 
>> employed full time by a company to implement it? (I'm not sure if he 
>> is or isn't, the question is hypothetical).
>>
>> What I have seen from Sun's involvement in JRuby this far is only for 
>> the benefit of JRuby. More resources and more information to better 
>> implement stuff, but no explicit steering towards subjects more 
>> interesting for Sun.
>>
>> I'm not an idealist and realize that Sun's involvement of course is 
>> because they think they can benefit from the project, but that doesn't 
>> make JRuby less Open Source or community driven.
>>
>> Regards
> Ah ... OK. I'm glad to hear that jRuby is indeed a community/open source 
> effort. By the way, speaking of large corporations and open source, Sun 
> has taken some flack about the slow pace of opening up Java technology 
> in general. Given the size of the technology and the number of people 
> who would need to approve it, it's not a surprise to me that it would 
> take so long. But still, in general in the corporate world, many more 
> people are paid to work *with* open source technologies rather than to 
> work *on* them.
> 
> So ... how far away are we from an open source JVM? :)
> 

It's funny you should say that just today:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2055994,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616

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