Alright, can somebody point me to a guide that doesn't leave me all kinds of confused? For instance. def thingHere(self, params) @params = so and so I guess I just don't "get it" I mean I do, I'm inches away but there are still a ton of hurdles I need to get over, like...thinking correctly for instance. Somebody please help me. Haha -- skt shyguyfrenzy / gmail.com "I sing a song, falling upon deaf ears; unsung."