--------------enig71E725BE6BA61E6FBCC9BCC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James Mead wrote: > Good to see such a well-argued, logical and rational argument for not using > mocks in tests. I'll have a pint of irony to go with that shot of sarcasm. There's a time and place for mocks. Substituting resources / environment that's not under your control during production / ever (the network, user input) with mocks is indeed fine and useful, I even my life-saver success stories with that. Substituting an essential runtime component that is under your control at development-time, and operates predictably or controllably, like a RDBMS, or a webserver to avoid their influence on the test process is patent nonsense if the test is to provide feedback on actual behaviour of the components. David Vallner --------------enig71E725BE6BA61E6FBCC9BCC1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFMqCPy6MhrS8astoRAua9AJ0SlEFpUjWlwIY5zbg+RKvl9u9biwCfbuh4 u9ybNQ/ic2GgL377YdcEakk hD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig71E725BE6BA61E6FBCC9BCC1--