>From: Clemens Hintze <c.hintze / gmx.net> >Reply-To: ruby-talk / netlab.co.jp >To: ruby-talk / netlab.co.jp (ruby-talk ML) >Subject: [ruby-talk:02183] Use 'Learning Perl' to learn Ruby >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:49:03 +0200 (CEST) > >Dat Nguyen writes: > > While waiting for the first Ruby book in english by Dave & Andy, I >wonder if > > I can use the book 'Learning Perl' to learn Ruby. That is, I'll try to >redo > > the Perl program in that book in Ruby language. > >Hmm, may I pay you my two cent? I think this idea is not the best one >probably! Whether it is or not depends on the book 'Lerning Perl'. I >do not know it, so I cannot give you *the* valid advice. > >But I guess it does not make too much sense to use this book for >Ruby. This is because Perl is very different from Ruby. On the first >glance both languages seems relatively close, but I feel they are >totally different in reallity. They share some syntax but this is all >about it! > >Very often in such books Perl's context dependencies are used >strongly. As mentioned in a previous post before, Ruby has not such >dependencies (at least not very much). So if you take a typical Perl >script and re-write it in Ruby, it could looks very similar but a >little bit clumsy, IMHO. This is because Ruby has to code Perl's >dependencies explicitly. > >You could take Perl's code as an example and then re-think and re-write >the whole in Ruby. But not to let it looks like Perl, but to use all >advantages of Ruby. > >IMO, re-write examples of a book about Python would be a better choice >for you. Python is, IMHO, much closer to Ruby than Perl. > > > Another idea may be even better is to redo the Perl program in the book > > 'Object-Oriented Perl' in Ruby language. > >*This* could be a good idea, IMHO. I also do not know this book, but >because in a Perl OO program, the main focus should lay on OO and not >on Perl's context tricks. So perhaps this would be a better idea. You >would solve OO problems, and Ruby *is* OO. Here, IMO, you could >discover all the strengths and power of Ruby. And let Perl looks >clumsy ;-))) > > > At least, I'll have some practical exercises to practice Ruby rather >than > > starring at the Ruby manual and wonder what & where those instructions >are > > applicable. > >Hmm! This gives me the expression, that you have not all too much >experience with HL programming, do you! Knowing Perl and Python, I had >no difficulties to grasp Ruby's all-world features, only the Ruby's own >ones. see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#oops and: http://www.smalltickle.com/ > >But having not too much experience is not necessarily a bad thing, >IMHO. You would not be polluted by the other P-languages (P stands >here for primitive ;-) Only you should show your programs then, to >give others possibility to correct you, if you have done things too >un-Ruby-ish. > > > Any advice is very much appreciated. > > Dat > >\cle > >-- >Clemens Hintze mailto: c.hintze / gmx.net You're too fast, you don't get the idea. Since you don't know both books 'Learning Perl' & 'Object-Oriented Perl', it's hard to comment on them. They represent tasks that can be done with scripting language. I refer to the tasks themself and not their immplementation in Perl. But your presence on ruby-talk is very encouraging. Dat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com