On 26 Sep 2006, at 21:04, Rick DeNatale wrote: > On 9/25/06, Paul Lynch <paul / plsys.co.uk> wrote: >> On 26 Sep 2006, at 00:10, Phrogz wrote: >> > While I'm asking for some me-centric stuff, how about the best >> > resource >> > for "Rails for the veteran web developer who's used to rolling >> every >> > bit of HTML and CSS and JS by hand and is having trouble >> learning to >> > re-use existing helper methods, and is instead spending gobs of >> time >> > writing 'convenience' methods when that time should be spent >> cranking >> > out the site." :) >> >> Yup, that's me! >> >> Agile Web Development with Rails (2nd Ed) is going to be your answer, >> but I think you'd enjoy Ruby for Rails, too; I know I did. > > I haven't seen Ruby for Rails, so I don't know the balance between > Ruby and Rails. I've heard good things about it, but is it really the > right choice for someone who already knows Ruby and is trying to learn > rails? I said that I think he would enjoy it - because it avoids the "gee whiz" web designer approach to the essential Ruby core of Rails, and does manage to explain various aspects of Rails from a Rubyphile perspective. > I've found that, as in development, an incremental or spiral approach > works best for me. > ... > Now I'm working through the new edition of AWDWR, and rather than just > slavishly following Dave's examples, I'm playing with them, using the > Ruby knowledge that I've acquired, and seeing how it works in Rails. The latest edition is looking to become radically different from the first, in a good way. Paul