In message <3a94cf510609121051g709ff1c0m45d8c948c68990d9 / mail.gmail.com>, Francis Cianfrocca <garbagecat10 / gmail.com> writes >get simply by having larger teams and bigger budgets. Saving money in >activities that are cost centers often makes a manager less >influential, not more so. And in turn, it makes the manager's manager >less influential. Ruby's productivity argument is not too likely to >have much impact in these shops. Its is, but you have to come at it from a different angle. That manager doesn't reduce his budget, but they do get a lot more done. Same budget, more useful work done => more kudos. Stephen -- Stephen Kellett Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/software.html Computer Consultancy, Software Development Windows C++, Java, Assembler, Performance Analysis, Troubleshooting