A thought occured to me. Earlier there was in the GUI/Fox discussions mention of possible functionality like fxwidget (:x=val, :top=val ) #I don't use fox so that you don't have to remember the order of widget options... when the thought occured to me, why not make it so that you can pass a hash to a method? this kind of achieves the same functionality using built in classes and possibly greater flexibility. any thoughts? -- ------------------ Chris Moore As a dog returns to it's vomit so a fool totheir folly -God