> -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Perrin [mailto:perrin / apotheon.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:30 PM > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 05:37:24AM +0900, Keith Gaughan wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:42:30PM +0900, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > Design decisions that involve interfacing with interface software that > > > sucks is related to the software under discussion -- and not all of the > > > interface is entirely delegated to Windows, either. No software can be > > > evaluated for its performance characteristics separate from its > > > environment except insofar as it runs without that environment. > > > > Here's all I'm saying: the environment is important, but it's a variable > > that must be cancelled when talking about some piece of software that's > > running on top of it. You can only make judgements about the speed of > > something like Excel by comparing it to another spreadsheet with a > > similar set of features running on Windows. Otherwise, you're only > > making guesses as to where the sluggishness and bloat lie. Is not it simple and obvious that for the complete picture you need both numbers -- the one that includes the start-up time and the one that does not? Yura.