> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Perrin [mailto:perrin / apotheon.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:30 PM
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 05:37:24AM +0900, Keith Gaughan wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:42:30PM +0900, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > 
> > > Design decisions that involve interfacing with interface software that
> > > sucks is related to the software under discussion -- and not all of the
> > > interface is entirely delegated to Windows, either.  No software can be
> > > evaluated for its performance characteristics separate from its
> > > environment except insofar as it runs without that environment.
> >
> > Here's all I'm saying: the environment is important, but it's a variable
> > that must be cancelled when talking about some piece of software that's
> > running on top of it. You can only make judgements about the speed of
> > something like Excel by comparing it to another spreadsheet with a
> > similar set of features running on Windows. Otherwise, you're only
> > making guesses as to where the sluggishness and bloat lie.

Is not it simple and obvious that for the complete picture you need
both numbers -- the one that includes the start-up time and the one
that does not?

Yura.