Peter Hickman wrote:
> Charles O Nutter wrote:
> > Not bad, really, but not even as good as the bogus Java numbers below.
> The Java numbers are what was genuinely produced by the Java system on
> my computer. What grounds do you have to call them bogus? State clearly
> how to time a Java program in such a way that you will not call it bogus
> that can also be applied to the other languages here. Remember the Perl
> interpreter must be loaded and the source compiled each time the Perl
> version is run, somehow I don't recall you saying that the Perl numbers
> were bogus.
>
> > Second, you're not a very good Java programmer if you didn't know
> > about this
> > limit. Perhaps they didn't teach you this in Java class in 1992? (a
> > response
> > troll, admittedly)
> >
> I have never encountered this limit before, but then again I have never
> had the urge to do this sort of program in Java, I used it to do ALife
> and other simulations. How about you submit your version of the problem
> in Java, I can then run it on my system in the manner you will describe
> so that you wont call it 'bogus' and we use those timings. If you are
> going to question someone's programming prowess then we can only ask
> that the master himself teaches us how to to it properly.
> > Some versions of Java have taken as much as 15 seconds to start up on
> > certain platforms, and the startup time on Linux is frequently slower
> > than
> > on other platforms.  Java 5 on Windows takes perhaps a second to start up
> > now, primarily because they do use a shared-memory cache of much of the
> > static data loaded at startup. Of course, it's not a startup cost of
> > zero,
> > but people simply don't use Java for command-line tools.
> Where are you coming from? We use plenty of command line tools that are
> written in Java here. Tools to parse, validate and transform XML. Schema
> and RelaxNG checkers. There are plenty of command line tools written in
> Java that are used daily by people all over the world, where you pulled
> the 'people simply don't use Java for command-line tools' from?
>
> I look forward to seeing your code.

Perhaps you could post the 5x5 Java and C programs on your website then
folk like Charles O Nutter can satisfy themselves that the numbers are
not bogus.