On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Greg Donald wrote:
> To effectively use a framework you should probably know the language
> it's built with, that's gonna be true for any web framework, not just
> Rails.

But isn't is also possible that someone doesn't want to learn a  
framework?  I'm not one for FUD and I love rails, but I see no reason  
there shouldn't be tutorials for doing it both ways.
-Mat