On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Austin Ziegler wrote: > On 7/21/06, ara.t.howard / noaa.gov <ara.t.howard / noaa.gov> wrote: >> here's a challenge: > > I won't take your challenge for several reasons. I will forward it on > to the VS team when I'm back from vacation. > > My reasons: > > 1. I'm currently on vacation. > 2. When I'm back from vacation, I have a full work schedule. > 3. I need to continue work on things that matter to me, which include > PDF::Writer and my impending wedding. > 4. I am handing the communication with the VS team over to Curt as > soon as I have a chance to pull everything together. > 5. I don't need gsl. fair enough and thanks for doing it (when you do). > I oppose the use of MinGW for the Ruby installer. Vehemently. It's *not* the > right way, and will only complicate things for 64-bit Windows support (which > Vista will have right out of the box). The API support for MinGW is behind > and it doesn't interface well with the newer parts of Windows because it's > built on an outdated runtime that still has security issues. i can't comment here. > The problem isn't the toolchain provided by the compiler at this point; it > is that Ruby's toolchain isn't sufficiently cross-platform (a la Perl's > "perl Makefile.PL" or Python's distutils) and needs to grow up so that you > don't even have to think about this. but no one has offered to do this work. with msys, someone's already done it for us. i agree with you to some extent, but this is a matter of expedience - what do we have now and what are people willing to create now. taking that into consideration shows that not one single windows developer has volunteered for a project like the one you suggest. > I am also not convinced that everything needs to be compiled with VS2005 to > make it work; only extensions and those libraries which do not provide an > alternative to the use of "errno" directly (they should be across API > calls). see my post and the one to ruby-core. errno is just one such issue and, since no one can provide us with a list, we must assume there are more. regards. -a -- suffering increases your inner strength. also, the wishing for suffering makes the suffering disappear. - h.h. the 14th dali lama