Hi Justin, I am glad that Ruby 2 is being worked on, which will bring speed and other improvements. What prompted my original statement on this issue was a message that simply told someone to use C when the question was asked about ways to speed up Ruby programs. I think a more constructive response to such questions begins by acknowledging this current problem in Ruby, partly to reassure him or her that the problem is not just a matter of programming deficiency. The response might then remind one of the ease of development benefits that one gets in return, as well as summarizing projects underway to improve performance as well. I think it's fine to explain how C may be used for time-sensitive parts of an application if one already knows C. In general, however, I do not think it is reasonable to expect someone to learn a fundamentally different, low level language for this purpose. It is definitely not constructive to demean their programming interest and skills if they do not know or want to learn C. Regards, Jamal -----Original Message----- From: Justin Collins [mailto:collinsj / seattleu.edu] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:50 PM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: Re: How to speed up ruby and make it as fast as possible I don't think people are ignoring Ruby's performance or rationalizing it away. That's why all that work is going into YARV for Ruby2. That's why there is ruby2c. There are people who are consciously working towards a better performing Ruby. As far as I understand it, there is plenty of room for Ruby to improve (performance has not been a top priority previously), so I have no doubt that we will see a faster Ruby in the future. However, if you want an immediate solution, then the solution is to use another language or link to another language from Ruby. The helpful people on this list are also very practical, so when someone says, "How do I make my Ruby program run faster?" instead of answering, "Sorry, you can't" they give practical advice. Sorry to be blunt, but if you are not contributing to improving Ruby's performance, then you (and I :) will need to be patient and wait for the newer, faster, even more awesome versions of Ruby to come out. -Justin