Python.org links to http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html#Ruby , saying "Bruce Eckel thinks Ruby isn't worth learning...". Some quotes... "So far I keep coming to the conclusion that Ruby is just a bad ripoff of Python, just like C# is a bad ripoff of C++ and to some degree Java" "For some reason, the creator of the language saw Python and decided to do a clone, and people who had never used Python thought it was a good idea. Harsh, maybe, but that's my impression: if you've used Python at all, you wouldn't give Ruby a second glance. " Of course, it should be noted that Bruce is starting to write a Python book (Thinking in Python), and so may have at some point an indirect economic interest in Python's success. I don't think, however, that this is his motivation for saying what he did. But what do you think of his assessment? I have only looked at Python myself; I don't know enough to compare them. I can say as a Smalltalk and Perl programmer that Ruby fills a need for me, and feels comfortable. -- Ned Konz currently: Stanwood, WA email: ned / bike-nomad.com homepage: http://bike-nomad.com