Giles Bowkett wrote: > ... > I think there's definitely a difference between corporations and > business in general. I think widespread adoption by **corporations** > is viewed suspiciously. I could be wrong tho. > In the USA, it is nigh impossible to run a business without also being incorporated. Even non-businesses, such as Ruby Central, are Inc.'ed. But I think I get your point. When I had a Real Job, I was glad when I was able to move from VB to Java, largely because I got to work with some very smart people writing good, inventive Java. I learned a lot and it was fun. But a few years later, management changed, and what might be called the Corporate Mindset took over. So, I was still doing Java, but the particulars were dictated: J2EE +iPlanet. Ick. We became framework scripters. No more using the language in whatever means was most appropriate. They wanted plug-and-play code by and for plug-and-play coders. Instead of looking to see how to best build a business, people were looking mostly to preserve what they had, and would pick the safest choices to cover their asses. (I.e., "Best practices: Adequate choices that probably won't get you fired.") So, it may be good if companies adopt Ruby, but if they end up dictating, for example, that *every* Web app *must* use Rails, even if their developers can offer better alternatives, then the fun can fade. -- James Britt http://web2.0validator.com - We're the Dot in Web 2.0 http://refreshingcities.org - Design, technology, usability http://yourelevatorpitch.com - Finding Business Focus http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys