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Ryan,

So... "Put your code where your mouth is?"... and given that my mouth is
big, my code should be good (my comments about me, and not ascribed to
you)... :-)

I think you're absolutely right!

I'll work on some 'lock-down' code that will allow classes to lock
themselves down from external modification (not Foo.freeze, but something
more granular.)

I'll toss it out to the group and see what people have to say.

Thanks,

David

On 5/5/06, Ryan Leavengood <leavengood / gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I have matured, I've become more and more convinced how much louder
> actions speak than words. This is most especially true in the world of
> open source software.
>
> In the current case, I would suggest that if David is so convinced of
> a need for locking down core classes or limiting meta-programming in
> Ruby at the Enterprise level, then he should provide some possible
> solutions for that in code. I do agree that modification of core
> classes and meta-programming can be a source of problems, just like
> any powerful language feature. It probably would be nice to be able to
> have control over that at the language level.
>
> But I'll be even more convinced if someone showed me some code that
> accomplished this and was easy to use instead of telling me it needs
> to be done.
>
> I think much of the push-back David experienced in this thread was the
> tone of "this really needs to be done", without any offer of actually
> taking part in the doing. You just can't tell people what to do on an
> open source project. We all get that enough at work, thank you.
>
> I would suggest that David's posts would have much more warmly
> received if they were more like this: "Hi guys, I too have seen the
> kind of problems talked about in this thread, and I came up with this
> little solution for it. Take a look and let me know what you think."
> Instead it seems we got: "Yo guys, Ruby is just not ready for the
> enterprise, because of X and Y and Z. You guys really need to get on
> the ball if you ever expect Ruby to be anything important!"
>
> Ryan
>
>


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