Eric and Ryan,

You guys got it backwards, man. I easily deal with all the messages
precisely because I don't receive any emails at all! I use Google
Groups, personally, but there's also Gmane and news2mail.com (and
others probably).  But Google Groups only works if the gateway is up.
Which means right now I'm forced to do a separate email and thus this
message won't be properly linked to it's reference post. A proper
gateway should reference correctly. Also, even using email, you should
not be receiveing two copies of every post when the gateway working.
Something's not working as it should if you are.

As for increased noise to signal. We have lots on "nubys" now becuase
of Rails. That's not the lists fault or the gateway's fault. If
anything at all should be done about it, it would  mean creating a
separate nuby list, or v-v, an experts list. But then you have the
problem of those two groups communicating less --which isn't really
good either.

T.