Rob wrote: > Don't get me wrong. I love Ruby. It's just that as a mediocre > programmer, I found it very difficult to learn because I spent too much > time looking for certain methods in the Ruby book. Sometimes it is > easier for beginners to move forward when they don't have 10 different > options for how to do something. Perfectly said. Wittgenstein's Ladder. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WittgensteinsLadder Training wheels, training wheels, training wheels. Everybody needs 'em when starting out in a new area. I need 'em. Big time. Especially as I start watching the SiCP LISP videos. And I have some past experience hacking around with Python. Though with my background it looked more like object-oriented VBScript. God help me. Just my $.02. -dave