On Feb 24, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Rob wrote: > Here is the problem. With C or even C++ I can learn a few basic > conditional statements, variable declarations, etc. and I can write > just > about any program. Sure, it will be long and inefficient, but at > least > I can write it without knowing any more about the language. In Ruby, > you can't do that. The key to learning Ruby is learning the numerous > methods that come with each class. I'm not seeing that. Ruby supports pretty much the same constructs and even index access to Arrays. Iterators are a lot sexier, but if you want to walk everything by index knock yourself out. If you don't know the helper methods, you can always roll your own code. That doesn't make sense to me. James Edward Gray II