How are you connecting with Ruby to databases such as Oracle. I very much want to join this project. I want to use the fastcgi module but don't know enough about how it works with Apache 2.x or integrates with Ruby. Also, I had a short stint with Apple web objects but thought it was too much code to deal with for everyday web publishing. I think your approach of using Ruby to revisit the EOF framework is brilliant. Would anyone like to write a book on the subject, or if someone wants to sling the code, I would love to produce the documentation or a small book. I'm a firm believer in software is only as good as its documentation. I strongly believe that this very element will propel Ruby past languages like Python, which although is a great language, remains useless for most practical development tasks. This is a perfect compliment to Ruby. -- ed