On Saturday 04 February 2006 09:37 am, Paul Robinson wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2006, at 00:07, tsumeruby / tsumelabs.com wrote:
> > I'd seriously like this to be the other way around. Head hunters
> > which are
> > programmer peer reviewed! :)
>
> None Shall Pass. Seriously, they really don't get the work we do.
> Programmers should headhunt other programmers - it's the only way it
> can work. Sure, HR can make sure the guy/gal is able to dress himself
> (if it's that kind of boring place where they require people to be
> dressed), but the core skills just can't be grasped by RC/headhunter-
> types if you ask me.
>

Then again, are most of those headhunter places even technologically oriented? 
From what I've seen, and from what people accept, they only look at the 
qualifications and ship you out the the real employer. very insulting, 
especially when you get some certified person who just went to the technical 
school down the block. I'll always remember this when I was younger. I used 
to work at a teenager facility. I was only 14 then, but they had a 34~ guy 
come in and help me with the computer which were donated. I immediately 
started to type `format /q /s` to start setting up the computers from the 
boot CDs. He was automatically lost on how I was beating him at setup. I told 
him the switch and he said, "They never taught us that". I told him in a non 
arrogant way.. even though I told him nicely, and don't mind being around 
people like so, I'll never hire/contract/get service from anyone who isn't 
checked out by me. The one problem being one of many which I've been 
conflicted with when having to deal with people who aren't devoted and just 
do it for the money.

	You suffer from time loss. Time is money according to the people paying you. 
I certainly don't like people wasting time when they're being paid by me each 
hour. I've similar feeling about the customers I serve, and help them with 
their employees, because the boss is the one who picks up on the time. Of 
course, this is where managers are a good thing. Managers have a very good 
reason to being the asshole they're looked at to be, only because of the 
asshole getting paid is playing solitaire instead of working.

> > I've never had to look/apply for a job, but I suppose other people
> > work
> > differently.
>
> You're either very young, very rich, very poor and don't mind or very
> lucky. :-)
>
> I'd like not to have to look/apply for work. How'd you do it?
>

I've too many friends in various professions who just know me well. I perform 
various tasks. I'm an extroverted nerd and proud of it.

I receive jobs which need for example, Outlook Express set up for email, or 
even a phone system reconfigured. Phone technician work is another mastered 
skill I've accomplished. I'll take and charge what I feel. I did charge one 
customer 75/USD for JUST Outlook Express setup with the internet service 
provider(minimum: 1 hour). Business is business, and I don't sell myself 
short. Yeah yeah.. others online who I tell think, "bastard" or "this guy 
rips people off".. I've been on the computer since I was 2, people are paying 
for my life experience. Usually people on IRC are immature anyway :P so why 
take them seriously, I just go on to trade information.

> > I don't have a problem with personal requests, but when commercial
> > like
> > content starts floating to a list, I think..
> >
> > "*running on horse* The capitalists are coming!"
>
> I'm British you know. And Capitalist(*). If I weren't such a nice
> chap, I'd think you were mocking me. :-)

Opps :)

>
> At the end of the day, we only get to write as much code as we do,
> because somebody somewhere is prepared to give us the money we need
> for food/shelter to write that code. I'd rather do this for a living
> than, say, have to be an accountant or a management consultant. As a
> short-term contract freelancer, I am looking for work *CONSTANTLY*.
> Apart from the Summer when I like to try and spend my time staring at
> clouds. But during the Winter, I am a code-whore, through and through.

Well, I keep writing and deleting the text I type... so I'll just say 
different positions have different salaries.

>
> Plus you're assuming all of us are in it just for the money - when
> I'm earning, a substantial piece of my income goes to good causes.
>
> > When this happens, he means a place is no longer a heaven where
> > programmers
> > can just talk about ruby, but need to be bothered by the "norms" ;)
>
> Point taken. Like I said, I'm happy keeping my commercial discussions
> away from here, and think others can be encouraged to do the same. As
> long as we all know where those discussions are, which I believe
> includes http://jobs.rubynow.com/
>
> (*) I was once described as a Trotsky entry-ist, but he was drunk and
> I was beating him at cards...

What I wouldn't mind is a monthly or bi-weekly job email on the list from one 
of those sites for Ruby jobs. I just don't like to see emails in my box for 
jobs. I recently started to receive emails from d1(really an i)ce.com about 
"Does your job suck?".. I just laugh. I do know how others think, but the 
email sounds so hilarious. I just couldn't bare myself to live in a 
crackerbox, yet find lack of a large city inconvenient to shop for items. 
Also being in Alaska the outrageous shipping, but theres a reason I charge 
back the cost to people.

All I can say for now..

Tsume