On 4 Feb 2006, at 12:38, Gene Tani wrote: > co-ercing, or even just *encouraging* people to use an editor > leads to tension, Only if they're idiots who don't understand vim is the one and true way. :-) > like source code management, GUI development, if they're also doing > python/perl, C/C++/Java or other (y'know, PHP) coding etc. All of which can be handled with all the editors on the planet coupled with a window on a command-line in the background. Coders need to code in the editor they are used to, period. I want vim (occasionally TextMate, cos hey, it's there), the next guy wants emacs, some want TextMate 100% of the time, and they all work. It's just that vim works better. :-) > this list has noted textmate undo leaves something to be desired, and > komodo debugging rails has issues, if you "Search this Group" . Have > you looked at Jedit also? You know, I've never heard of a Jedit-"fan". Are there any here? I've never dabbled with it much because it's Java and I still think of Java as being slow and cludgy. Is it worth a play? Incidentally, on Windows, the Cream extension of vim is truly lovely.