On 01/02/06, Bill Kelly <billk / cts.com> wrote: > From: "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue / gmail.com> >> I do maintain and will always maintain that my applications and >> libraries released under an MIT-style licence will always be freer >> than anything released under the GNU GPL, any version. > Freer? Yes, if you are talking about the individual freedom of anyone > extending your libraries and applications to close the source. No, I mean freer. Period. I place minimal restrictions on my software. I most emphatically do not place the restriction that someone has to open up *their* source just because they want to use a library that I have written. > Not so free when the authors of modifications to your applications and > libraries decide after some years to abandon the project and refuse to > open the source, stranding the userbase at wherever development left > off. That, to be honest, is completely irrelevant. As long as I'm the active, primary developer on a project that I'm working on, I won't accept code that isn't under the *same* licence that I released it under. If someone wants to fork my code and make their fork closed source, that's their right and decision. I fully support them in that. But the original source -- mine -- is still available and is perpetually available under the licence(s) which I granted at release. This is much more true now with long-lasting resources like RubyForge. [...] > But I wouldn't agree that the only definition of "freer" worth > considering is one that allows authors modifying our libraries > and applications the freedom to close the source. Because for > the eight-year-old Quake II community, these abandoned closed- > source game modifications aren't feeling very free at all. You know, I don't particularly disagree with that stance. But I'm not really arguing about the definition of "freer"; it is a *fact* that I am explicitly not setting restrictions, and as such my source *is* less encumbered. Honestly, I'm much less concerned about second- and third-level recipients ability to hack code that, while based on my code, is no longer my code. That said, I also don't have a problem with a licence that carries restrictions similar to the GNU GPL. I just wish the damned preamble weren't part of the GNU GPL. Just give me a licence that does what the GNU GPL does without the pseudo-political nonsense, and I might use it as it's appropriate. (FWIW, I am of the opinion that the GNU LGPL is a wholly worthless licence, and feel that the MPL and its derivatives accomplish the same thing as the GNU GPL in a much better manner.) -austin -- Austin Ziegler * halostatue / gmail.com * Alternate: austin / halostatue.ca