Chaps, Ruby seems like a great language and the book's good too. However a novice like me won't be able to appreciate *.rb when there's soooo many examples of "there's more than one way to do it". I learn pretty quickly and even faster when I can understand a concept, test it and see that it works. How do you other novices feel about this? This is not a rant/flame/plug my book/some other language is better posting ;) -- John Maclean MSc (DIC) 07739 171 531